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James Greyson

Sep 2, 2011
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Many thanks for adding this, George. Fun to see a crop of proposals on the CoLab all proposing collaboration :-) Please keep going with the proposal if you wish; would be great to see how you see the elements you've listed working together, how to co-ordinate and how to fund. Does it really require no funding to provide 'zero emissions local production - food, energy, money, information, health' for all humanity? Could we see please some explanation of the techie bits such as 'High exergetic efficiencies in energy and resource use, complex cogeneration and systems design for zero waste'. Zero waste is a pet topic so would love to hear your ideas. Carbon sequestration (for example with biochar) is an example of better than zero waste. So cookstoves can do better than improve efficiency? We need to get carbon out of the air, not just stop dumping more there? Please encourage others from DailyKos to join you on your proposals and also add more. Thanks, James

George Mokray

Sep 3, 2011
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How much did it cost to start Linux? Or wikipedia? The kind of index of practical local solutions I am suggesting is already out there but widely scattered. If we can link it together into an understandable vision, and many different entities are already doing that, then we can start replicating the best practices around the world. That's what's gonna take money (but not as much as initiative and imagination and not as much as most people think. The process should be FUN. It's a puzzle to find out how to live lightest on this planet while still enjoying ourselves. One laboratory is Burning Man. Another is any refugee camp or hike in the wilderness. Start from bare minimum, survival, refugee camp standards and move from there. Adapt to local conditions and partner with the people in terms of design. Open source maker culture techno-nomad emergency assistance swat teams morphing into basic survival kit for any circumstances anywhere on the surface of this planet. Backpack space suit for Spaceship Earth. Wrote one recent dkos diary on CoLab at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/25/1010648/-Climate-CoLab:-Brainstorming-Global-Climate-Change? Just suggested that Beach Babe in Fl who has posted about quick climate fixes like reducing black carbon, methane, and low altitude ozone do a proposal here. Her latest diary is at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/03/1013175/-Climate-Change-Fast-Solutions-Are-All-We-Have-Left-Updated-Obama-Ozone-decision?detail=hide

James Greyson

Sep 4, 2011
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OIC the 'no funding ' cost is for the index not for the actions. The actions you list are examples of what would be found on the index you propose. How to make such an index without just adding another list to the list of actions? Thanks for your great diary and very helpful comment on another!

Kevin Huang

Sep 12, 2011
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While poorly structured, this proposal posits an interesting idea. The concept of diverse and wide ranging open experimentation as a method of identifying and proliferating best practices isn’t a new one, and it certainly has its merits as a method for solving highly complex problems. Perhaps the biggest difficulty with such an open sourced, experimentation-based approach is the disparity in time scale between candidate solutions that are enacted, the response of the climate system, and the period over which solutions need to be carried out to avoid further irreversible changes. Climate change, by definition, occurs over vast time scales. The effects of potential solutions to climate change (though sometimes able to be quickly enacted) will, similarly, only be visible across very large time scales. The window of time to avoid irreversible damage, however, is comparatively small. Essentially, do we really have time to experiment, wait a long time to ascertain the effects, and then re-iterate? This proposal could be strengthened by constructing a more detailed, comprehensive plan, rather than simply listing a series of analogous examples.

George Mokray

Sep 28, 2011
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Internalize Economy in Earth Ecosystemby vishal Open Source Information Age Economyby tedschulman Intellectual Property Exchange,2009 ©.by boris-lagutin Systems of Collective Intelligence by dsweeney Platform for mutual development to reduce resource consumption by haller Ongoing Global Brainstorm by gmoke Fix the system - get a global 'circular economy'by blindspotter Environmental Balance Index: ecosystem internalized money. So collective aspiration to procure, prosper and evolve economyby taras.bebeshko All of these proposals advocate open source/crowdsource mechanisms to speed response to climate change, at least as I read them. It seems we each have different parts of the puzzle and should consider collaborating whatever the outcome of the contest.

Jonas Haller

Sep 30, 2011
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Thank you for the comparison you have done, and the comment you have written on this proposal: http://tinyurl.com/platform-mutual-development The re-iteration and the resulting time scale issue, named experimenting by kevinhuang (comment #4) is maybe not necessary, since success stories and the description of encountered problems by some users, and the ways of resolution shown by others, can mostly solve this issue. Hence no re-iteration in the strict sense would be necessary. What about integrating these problems as examples into the proposed "platform for mutual development" (http://tinyurl.com/platform-mutual-development) ? It would be awesome, if you could help on this. The platform could be seen as the "comprehensive plan", as mentioned above (#5). Feel free to add and change to the platform proposal, whatever you feel necessary. =) Cheers!

Moderator Team

Oct 11, 2011
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Thanks for your hard work! Your proposal contained many interesting ideas for collective intelligence, with links to various projects. However, reviewers thought the proposal would benefit from better structure.
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