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Captain D

May 12, 2013
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Absolutely, I want to know your deepest critical thoughts on this proposal after you have read all comments which I consider seriously valuable amendments post Obama announcement on coal. I very much appreciate your well crafted critiques. Thank you... please read below if you have not already. N.B. from PJ (author) - Ultimately there is not sufficiently complete data available to determine full life cycle ghg emissions generated from nuclear energy power plants and all associated activities. A complex calculator needs to be created and all nuc plants and historic nuc plant activities/events need to be factored in. Search for such a tool has resulted in no finding. .. .. Captd's original comment in this space: Solar (of all flavors) can save mankind from itself The MAJOR Leaders of the World must accept the fact that unless we all work together we will continue to spiral toward chaos preceded by ever expanding conflicts, because of Earth's dwindling resources and our ever increasing population.

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Solar (of all flavors) can save mankind from itself The MAJOR Leaders of the World must accept the fact that unless we all work together we will continue to spiral toward chaos preceded by ever expanding conflicts, because of Earth's dwindling resources and our ever increasing population.

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May 12, 2013
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Agreed! Green/renewable energy sectors have made great progress post 311 and it is time to give them room to grow rapidly.

Mark Hurych

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Pulling your ear or biting a bullet is a way of distracting your attention from pain. Temporary or alternating shut-downs are a good idea and I think we need to incorporate these ideas into a transition period where we eventually reach carbon zero footprint or better. So I don't believe in biting the bullet to face painful decisions, I think rather that facing priorities as priorities is better. We need to be in touch and sense the benefits for the future of humanity. Intrinsic motivation is so much better than sticks and carrots, especially when our creative energies are being tested.

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Jun 18, 2013
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Great observation. My choice of words perhaps derived from years of watching the system get so out of hand and desiring realistic solutions be implemented asap. Thank You. As time approaches for finalizing this, I will keep your ideas in mind. I do appreciate positive approaches.

Pia Jensen

Jul 5, 2013
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Add to references: Study: CPUC and Edison collaborated to scam ratepayers, by Don Bauder http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/jul/05/study-cpuc-and-edison-collaborated-to-scam-ratepay/

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Jul 10, 2013
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Since this proposal was written and after edit options were shut off, President Obama has announced what amounts to a call for divestment from coal. So, with that in mind, I would amend this proposal to concentrate on nuclear energy plant decommissioning, halting the process of licensing new nuclear reactors (until and unless waste and facility/infrastructure issues are dealt with sufficiently to prevent, 100%, health risks associated with current day nuclear power plants), and clean up and oversight issues.

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Jul 10, 2013
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Regarding the difficulty with calculating Nuclear energy GHG contributions. Environmental impact of nuclear power http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_nuclear_power (snip) According to an analysis by Stanford University professor Mark Z. Jacobson, nuclear power results in 9 to 25 times more carbon emissions than wind power, "in part due to emissions from uranium refining and transport and reactor construction, in part due to the longer time required to site, permit, and construct a nuclear plant compared with a wind farm (resulting in greater emissions from the fossil-fuel electricity sector during this period), and in part due to the greater loss of soil carbon due to the greater loss in vegetation resulting from covering the ground with nuclear facilities relative to wind turbine towers, which cover little ground."[90] Various life cycle analysis (LCA) studies have led to a large range of estimates. Some comparisons of carbon dioxide emissions show nuclear power as comparable to renewable energy sources.[91][92] On another hand, a 2008 meta analysis of 103 studies, published by Benjamin Sovacool, determined that renewable electricity technologies are "two to seven times more effective than nuclear power plants on a per kWh basis at fighting climate change".[88](snip) ----- (snip) "Gives me" hope see comments under chart "Levelised costs of electricity of different studies" www.democraticunderground.com/112747814 "When the full nuclear fuel cycle is considered - not only reactors but also uranium mines and mills, enrichment facilities, spent fuel repositories, and decommissioning sites - nuclear power proves to be one of the costliest sources of energy". (snip) ----- (snip) Limitations of Nuclear Power as a Sustainable Energy Source Joshua M. Pearce Department of Materials Science & Engineering and Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering, Michigan Technological University, 601 M&M Building, 1400 Townsend Drive, Houghton, MI 49931-1295, USA http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/4/6/1173 Abstract: This paper provides a review and analysis of the challenges that nuclear power must overcome in order to be considered sustainable. The results make it clear that not only do innovative technical solutions need to be generated for the fundamental inherent environmental burdens of nuclear energy technology, but the nuclear industry must also address difficult issues of equity both in the present and for future generations. The results show that if the concept of just sustainability is applied to the nuclear energy sector a global large-scale sustainable nuclear energy system to replace fossil fuel combustion requires the following: (i) a radical improvement in greenhouse gas emissions intensity by improved technology and efficiency through the entire life cycle to prevent energy cannibalism during rapid growth; (ii) the elimination of nuclear insecurity to reduce the risks associated with nuclear power so that the free market can indemnify it without substantial public nuclear energy insurance subsidies; (iii) the elimination of radioactive waste at the end of life and minimization of environmental impact during mining and operations; and (iv) the nuclear industry must regain public trust or face obsolescence as a swarm of renewable energy technologies quickly improve both technical and economic performance.

Pia Jensen

Jul 10, 2013
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To strengthen the argument for decommissioning nuclear power for carbon reduction purposes, I will need to calculate all activities related to the full cycle of nuclear power production, direct and indirect. I have, and am, searching for research which accounts for all activities and which is not biased for or against nuclear. I'm thinking that quest is an impossible one. Every pro nuclear citation says nuclear energy does not produce significant carbon output - but - that is false because they do not account for all related activities. Every no-nuclear citation is incomplete and sometimes loaded with jargon. To correctly calculate carbon output of nuclear power plants, as stated in the proposal, a large DB project is required to find the truth. Perhaps, that will be the final outcome of this proposal.

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Jul 10, 2013
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one of two articles at this site: Putney Energy Committee http://www.pec.putney.net/issue_detail.php?ID=15 Challenge anyone who thinks that Nuclear Power is green! Nuclear Power is not green, despite what the nuclear industry wants you to think. It is the opposite of carbon neutral! Every stage of nuclear power production relies on fossil fuel. Energy is used in every step and beyond; from mining, transport of raw material, enrichment, processing, manufacture of fuel rods, more transport, and finally with the use of nuclear fuel to produce energy - all based on fossil fuel. We are not even talking about other costs, such as security, and spent fuel pools, storage, waste transport and entombment. Nuclear power has more than just a little greenhouse gas attached to it, when mining uranium ore, refining and enriching fuel, building the plant, and operating it are included. A big 1,250 megawatt plant produces the equivalent of 250,000 tons of carbon dioxide a year during its life. Nuclear plants cause warming of the rivers they are situated next to because there is an incredible amount of heat that must be discharged into the air and water. This causes fish die offs and species decline. Nuke Plants also use incredible amounts of water from rivers (just to keep from overheating), Billions of fish and fish eggs perish every year by getting sucked up into the cooling system, or by being exposed to higher than normal temperatures. Again Nuclear power is not green and not renewable, it is powered with a limited amount of uranium, a mined material that is not overly abundant on the planet, which needs to be imported to the US. Nuclear Power is Not Green or Clean or Carbon Neutral The nuclear industry is now trying to change negative public perceptionsof nuclear power by promoting itself as the solution to global climate change. A recent column by Theodore J. Iltis proclaimed "Keep America green:Go nuclear" (WSJ 3/20/05). Iltis says that environmentalists who are concerned about the increase in greenhouse-gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels should embrace nuclear power because it does not produce carbon dioxide and thus does not contribute to global climate change. This commonly held view, endlessly repeated by proponents of nuclear power ignores the fact that without uranium there is no nuclear power. The mining, milling and enrichment of uranium into nuclear fuel are extremely energy-intensive and result in the emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels. The most intense mining and milling activity in the United States has been concentrated on the lands of Navajo and Pueblo Indians in the Grants Uranium Belt of northwest New Mexico. Before uranium can be used in nuclear power plants it must under go a process of enrichment. Uranium enrichment plants are the largest industrial plants in the world and consume enormous amounts of electricity. Far from being "clean", each 1000 megawatt-electric nuclear plant requires the equivalent of a 45 megawatt-electric coal plant--which annually burns 135,000 tons of coal--to supply its enrichment needs alone. The enrichment plant at Paducah, Kentucky, requires the electrical output of two 1000-megawatt coal-fired plants, which emit large quantities of carbon dioxide, the gas responsible for fifty percent of global warming. During its operation the enrichment plant at Piketon, Ohio consumed 10 percent of Ohio's electricity,more than the entire city of Cleveland. Proponents of nuclear power likewise ignore the substantial emissions of radioactive radon gas and other radioactive elements from the mining and milling of uranium ore in underground and open pit mines. The Navajo and Pueblo Indians, along with several thousand white miners were never told of the dangers from exposure to radon gas when they first entered those underground mines in Arizona and New Mexico in the 1950s. At least450 former uranium miners have already died of lung cancer, five times the national average. For those communities living next to uranium mines there is the additional problem of exposures from radioactive tailings, the waste that remains after the uranium has been extracted from the ore and processed into yellow cake. The thorium in the tailings piles has a radioactive half-life of 80,000 years. In other words, while nuclear power plants will produce power for only about 40 years, the effects of mill tailings will remain for thousands of future generations. There are over 200 million tons of these tailings in large piles around uranium mines and mills and they are emitting radioactive elements into the air and water. Communities near these tailings piles report a high rate of miscarriages, cleft palates and other birth defects, bone, reproductive, and gastric cancers as related health effects of uranium mining and exposure to contaminated air and water. And what about nuclear waste disposal? A typical nuclear reactor will generate 20 to 30 tons of high-level nuclear waste annually. There is no known way to safely dispose of this waste, which remains dangerously radioactive for a quarter of a million years. Iltis says the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada is an excellent choice for storage. The Western Shoshone Indians strongly disagree. They claim the land on which the federal government tested its atomic weapons and now plans to store 77,000 tons of military and power plant waste still belongs to them under the Ruby Valley Treaty of 1863 . The federal government has tried to force the Western Shoshone to accept payment for the land and thus forfeit their claim to it. The tribe sued the federal government in March 2005, alleging the Yucca Mountain project would violate the treaty. To date, no Western Shoshone members have accepted payment for their land. The failure of nuclear proponents to address the disproportionate impact of nuclear activities on Native American populations has its origins in an environmental racism which justifies exposing certain groups to hazardous environmental conditions in the name of national security, economic progress or to avoid the perils of global climate change. Nuclear power is not green.It is not clean. And it is a continuation of the environmentally racistpolicies of the nuclear industry. Al Gedicks is a professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse and the author of Resource Rebels: Native Challenges to Mining and Oil Corporations.(snip)

Pia Jensen

Jul 10, 2013
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one of two articles at this site: (snip) Putney Energy Committee http://www.pec.putney.net/issue_detail.php?ID=15 Challenge anyone who thinks that Nuclear Power is green! Nuclear Power is not green, despite what the nuclear industry wants you to think. It is the opposite of carbon neutral! Every stage of nuclear power production relies on fossil fuel. Energy is used in every step and beyond; from mining, transport of raw material, enrichment, processing, manufacture of fuel rods, more transport, and finally with the use of nuclear fuel to produce energy - all based on fossil fuel. We are not even talking about other costs, such as security, and spent fuel pools, storage, waste transport and entombment. Nuclear power has more than just a little greenhouse gas attached to it, when mining uranium ore, refining and enriching fuel, building the plant, and operating it are included. A big 1,250 megawatt plant produces the equivalent of 250,000 tons of carbon dioxide a year during its life. Nuclear plants cause warming of the rivers they are situated next to because there is an incredible amount of heat that must be discharged into the air and water. This causes fish die offs and species decline. Nuke Plants also use incredible amounts of water from rivers (just to keep from overheating), Billions of fish and fish eggs perish every year by getting sucked up into the cooling system, or by being exposed to higher than normal temperatures. Again Nuclear power is not green and not renewable, it is powered with a limited amount of uranium, a mined material that is not overly abundant on the planet, which needs to be imported to the US. Nuclear Power is Not Green or Clean or Carbon Neutral The nuclear industry is now trying to change negative public perceptionsof nuclear power by promoting itself as the solution to global climate change. A recent column by Theodore J. Iltis proclaimed "Keep America green:Go nuclear" (WSJ 3/20/05). Iltis says that environmentalists who are concerned about the increase in greenhouse-gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels should embrace nuclear power because it does not produce carbon dioxide and thus does not contribute to global climate change. This commonly held view, endlessly repeated by proponents of nuclear power ignores the fact that without uranium there is no nuclear power. The mining, milling and enrichment of uranium into nuclear fuel are extremely energy-intensive and result in the emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels. The most intense mining and milling activity in the United States has been concentrated on the lands of Navajo and Pueblo Indians in the Grants Uranium Belt of northwest New Mexico. Before uranium can be used in nuclear power plants it must under go a process of enrichment. Uranium enrichment plants are the largest industrial plants in the world and consume enormous amounts of electricity. Far from being "clean", each 1000 megawatt-electric nuclear plant requires the equivalent of a 45 megawatt-electric coal plant--which annually burns 135,000 tons of coal--to supply its enrichment needs alone. The enrichment plant at Paducah, Kentucky, requires the electrical output of two 1000-megawatt coal-fired plants, which emit large quantities of carbon dioxide, the gas responsible for fifty percent of global warming. During its operation the enrichment plant at Piketon, Ohio consumed 10 percent of Ohio's electricity,more than the entire city of Cleveland. Proponents of nuclear power likewise ignore the substantial emissions of radioactive radon gas and other radioactive elements from the mining and milling of uranium ore in underground and open pit mines. The Navajo and Pueblo Indians, along with several thousand white miners were never told of the dangers from exposure to radon gas when they first entered those underground mines in Arizona and New Mexico in the 1950s. At least450 former uranium miners have already died of lung cancer, five times the national average. For those communities living next to uranium mines there is the additional problem of exposures from radioactive tailings, the waste that remains after the uranium has been extracted from the ore and processed into yellow cake. The thorium in the tailings piles has a radioactive half-life of 80,000 years. In other words, while nuclear power plants will produce power for only about 40 years, the effects of mill tailings will remain for thousands of future generations. There are over 200 million tons of these tailings in large piles around uranium mines and mills and they are emitting radioactive elements into the air and water. Communities near these tailings piles report a high rate of miscarriages, cleft palates and other birth defects, bone, reproductive, and gastric cancers as related health effects of uranium mining and exposure to contaminated air and water. And what about nuclear waste disposal? A typical nuclear reactor will generate 20 to 30 tons of high-level nuclear waste annually. There is no known way to safely dispose of this waste, which remains dangerously radioactive for a quarter of a million years. Iltis says the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada is an excellent choice for storage. The Western Shoshone Indians strongly disagree. They claim the land on which the federal government tested its atomic weapons and now plans to store 77,000 tons of military and power plant waste still belongs to them under the Ruby Valley Treaty of 1863 . The federal government has tried to force the Western Shoshone to accept payment for the land and thus forfeit their claim to it. The tribe sued the federal government in March 2005, alleging the Yucca Mountain project would violate the treaty. To date, no Western Shoshone members have accepted payment for their land. The failure of nuclear proponents to address the disproportionate impact of nuclear activities on Native American populations has its origins in an environmental racism which justifies exposing certain groups to hazardous environmental conditions in the name of national security, economic progress or to avoid the perils of global climate change. Nuclear power is not green.It is not clean. And it is a continuation of the environmentally racistpolicies of the nuclear industry. Al Gedicks is a professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse and the author of Resource Rebels: Native Challenges to Mining and Oil Corporations.(snip)

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Jul 10, 2013
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should this proposal move forward, I will change the Pitch from: Sometimes, there comes a time, when... you just have to "bite the bullet" to: Reliable industry contribution data re: carbon output requires due diligence

Pia Jensen

Jul 11, 2013
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Add to references: Huffington Post San Onofre Shutdown Causes Concern About Greenhouse Gas Emissions 07/11/2013 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/san-onofre-nuclear-power-plant-shutdown_n_3579265.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003 (snip) SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — The first legislative hearing on the permanent closure of the San Onofre nuclear power plant focused on the shutdown's impact on California's greenhouse gas emissions, leaving discussion on how the plant will be safely decommissioned for future meetings. Energy officials told lawmakers Wednesday that studies are underway to determine how much generation capacity is needed in Southern California to replace the plant's output, and which sources would be the best options. An official with Southern California Edison, which owns San Onofre, said the utility's greenhouse emissions rose last year after the plant shut down due to safety and equipment issues. Southern California Edison is a unit of Edison International. In 2012, 30 percent of the utility's electricity came from carbon-free resources, said David Mead, senior vice president for transmission and distribution planning. That's down from 2011, when San Onofre was still running and 50 percent of the utility's electricity came from carbon-free nuclear, hydroelectric and renewable sources, Mead said. The utility has increased its use of natural gas and other fuels to replace the plant's power generation, Mead said. Lawmakers expressed concerns about the long-term effects of replacing nuclear power with sources like coal or natural gas. Utility officials said they were working to meet renewable energy benchmarks and increase efficiency at other plant, but they acknowledged that the plant's absence will be felt as California attempts to meet its emission goals. (snip)

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Add to references: (snip) Nature reports Kurt Kleiner Nuclear energy: assessing the emissions September 24, 2008 http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0810/full/climate.2008.99.html Life studies Evaluating the total carbon output of the nuclear industry involves calculating those emissions and dividing them by the electricity produced over the entire lifetime of the plant. Benjamin K. Sovacool, a research fellow at the National University of Singapore, recently analyzed more than one hundred lifecycle studies of nuclear plants around the world, his results published in August in Energy Policy2. From the 19 most reliable assessments, Sovacool found that estimates of total lifecycle carbon emissions ranged from 1.4 grammes of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour (gCO2e/kWh) of electricity produced up to 288 gCO2e/kWh. Sovacool believes the mean of 66 gCO2e/kWh to be a reasonable approximation. "The fact is, there's no such thing as a carbon-free lunch for any energy source." Jim Riccio The large variation in emissions estimated from the collection of studies arises from the different methodologies used - those on the low end, says Sovacool, tended to leave parts of the lifecycle out of their analyses, while those on the high end often made unrealistic assumptions about the amount of energy used in some parts of the lifecycle. The largest source of carbon emissions, accounting for 38 per cent of the average total, is the "frontend" of the fuel cycle, which includes mining and milling uranium ore, and the relatively energy-intensive conversion and enrichment process, which boosts the level of uranium-235 in the fuel to useable levels. Construction (12 per cent), operation (17 per cent largely because of backup generators using fossil fuels during downtime), fuel processing and waste disposal (14 per cent) and decommissioning (18 per cent) make up the total mean emissions. According to Sovacool's analysis, nuclear power, at 66 gCO2e/kWh emissions is well below scrubbed coal-fired plants, which emit 960 gCO2e/kWh, and natural gas-fired plants, at 443 gCO2e/kWh. However, nuclear emits twice as much carbon as solar photovoltaic, at 32 gCO2e/kWh, and six times as much as onshore wind farms, at 10 gCO2e/kWh. "A number in the 60s puts it well below natural gas, oil, coal and even clean-coal technologies. On the other hand, things like energy efficiency, and some of the cheaper renewables are a factor of six better. So for every dollar you spend on nuclear, you could have saved five or six times as much carbon with efficiency, or wind farms," Sovacool says. Add to that the high costs and long lead times for building a nuclear plant about $3 billion for a 1,000 megawatt plant, with planning, licensing and construction times of about 10 years and nuclear power is even less appealing. (snip)

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Jul 11, 2013
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add to "related/similar proposals" section Law for utility companies to include environment cost in energy price https://www.climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/10/planId/1301860

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added to my google drive: Sovacool, B.K. Valuing the greenhouse gas emissions from nuclear power: A critical survey http://docs.google.com/file/d/1VJvxb3jJjfsMgX3rFzXdmu9IxwtX3jLETf0k9LYdQRcA8oASfgbmkZaz3KHJ/edit?usp=sharing

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July 13 2013 People power: Сhina shelves plans for $6bn nuclear plant after wave of protest http://www.rt.com/news/china-protest-nuclear-plant-058/

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(snip) A New, One-Stop Shop for Greenhouse Gas Emissions Data http://www.insights.wri.org/news/2013/07/new-one-stop-shop-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WRI_News_and_Views+(World+Resources+Institute+(WRI)+Articles+and+Stories) Wading through the vast sea of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions data can be a real challenge. To help simplify the process and make such data more accessible, today the World Resources Institute is launching the Climate Analysis Indicators Tool, or CAIT 2.0. The free, online portal provides data on GHG emissions from 186 countries and all 50 U.S. states, as well as other climate data. CAIT 2.0 allows users to view, sort, visualize, and download data sets for comparative analysis. By providing comprehensive emissions data in an easy-to-use tool, users from government, business, academia, the media, and civil society can more effectively explore, understand, and communicate climate change issues.(snip)

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Incorporate a security component add to references (snip) France 24 international News Greenpeace activists storm French nuclear plant www.france24.com/en/20130715-greenpeace-activists-storm-french-nuclear-plant Dozens of Greenpeace activists entered an EDF nuclear power plant in Tricastin, southern France early on Monday morning, demanding the government shut it down, the environmental campaign group said. The environmentalists unfurled banners reading “Tricastin is a nuclear accident” and “François Hollande – disaster president”.(snip)

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Absolutely, I want to know your deepest critical thoughts on this proposal after you have read all comments which I consider seriously valuable amendments post Obama announcement on coal. I very much appreciate your well crafted critiques. Thank you... please read above if you have not already.

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We found that this proposal lacks details on how the electric grid can continue to provide reliable power if coal and nuclear plants are continuosly taken offline. We encourage you to keep working to develop this proposal, and to enter it again next year. Thanks for engaging with the Climate CoLab!