UNDERWATER SUSPENSION TUNNELS by cyclonebuster

Perhaps you should think this one through a bit more... there might be a feasibility problem here.

It means: it won't work.

There's a saying... Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Your proposal contains several tall claims... but no proof at all. Perhaps you can get your professor to sign up and give you a supporting vote. More importantly, see if you can get him to put anything at all into a comment that offers any evidence at all that this scheme has any chance of working. This is just some candid and honest feedback, that's all.

Going out of town to a funeral...Be back next week...

I gave a lot of information as to what I know the impact would be if the Co2 were reduced in the manner of which I had conveyed. Such as solving most of the problems associated burning fossil fuel GHG'S...Sea surface temperatures can be regulated at the same time power is generated to any temperature between 70 and 90 degrees fahrenheit in order to restore the summertime Northern Arctic Ice extent and mass.This idea will also weaken land falling hurricanes prior to their arrival to the shoreline, reduce severe weather,reduce tornadoes,reduce drought,reduce flooding, prevent ocean floor methane ice melting, prevent melting of permafrost,prevent methane escape from permafrost melt,increase albedo,reduce arctic amplification, prevent Co2 escape from permafrost melt,prevent coral bleaching,prevent hypoxic oceans,prevent red tide,restore ocean PH,prevent extinction of many land and oceanic species and bring atmospheric Co2 values down to pre- industrial revolution values of 300 ppm, etc,etc..Depending on how much cooling forcing and electrical power generation we create with them will determine how fast we can restore our climate. As the now cooler sea surface temperature in the Gulfstream that have exited the tunnels at the surface migrates Northward at about 5 to 6 miles per hour into the Northern Atlantic the air sea interaction with the cooler sea surface temperature cools the atmospheric air temperatures above the water. This now cooler air gets mixed in with the polar vortex which will help cool the North Arctic thus restoring ice extent and mass during the summer melt off which is now at very low levels... Hurricanes upwell cool water also and so you can see how this idea will work... This technology can also be used and combined with OTEC.. On a different note as far as generating power from the Gulf stream there are plenty of other examples that of which I thought the judges already knew of including OTEC and FAU's current project of tapping the kinetic energy of the Gulf Stream: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/university-moves-toward-powering-florida-with-the-gulf-stream/6577 ... My idea expands on both of those technologies and is better because we can use the thermal difference between upper and lower boundaries of the Gulf Stream to boil ammonia or sea water as well as the kinetic energy in the Gulf Stream COMBINED... There are two types of OTEC cycles OPEN or CLOSED loops..http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Otec_Open_Diagram_in_English.JPG/350px-Otec_Open_Diagram_in_English.JPG , http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Otec_Closed_Diagram_in_English.JPG/350px-Otec_Closed_Diagram_in_English.JPG ... FAU is also trying to use Kinetic Energy in the Gulfstream but again my idea is more effective... Here is how with some bulleted items.. . They combine OTEC with the technology . They filter the sea life out of the water prior to it's use on the turbine with traveling screens and return any sea life back to the ocean via the wash header similar to what current power plants already do today... . There is a venturi section where the turbine is placed in order to speed the flow across the turbine to tap more energy from the faster moving water... . SST's can be regulated anywhere between 70 and 90 degrees F in order to regulate climate and do what was mentioned above... If you read the proposal I made the distinction between the different currents one in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific.... I also mentioned the Yucatan Current entering the Gulf Of Mexico... "Also, there is nothing on possible limitations/challenges associated with implementation, and a discussion of those would be useful." Either we do this or we lose the summertime Arctic Ice.. We have no other choice do I make my self clear? Sincerely, Patrick McNulty

Hi Patrick, Thanks for your comments. I'm replying here as it is the best place to post proposal-related comments, as all those who are interested in your proposal, such as Judges and CoLab members, will be visiting this page to learn the details of and discuss your proposal. They may not see what is posted on Facebook or in the Community Forum. After posting your comments, you wrote on our Facebook wall: "Now are the judges ready to reconsider my idea? Because next year will be to late for the Summer time Arctic Ice extent/mass...." Due to the limitations expressed by the Judges above, they were unable to move your proposal forward to the Finalist round. As the Judges mentioned in their email, all Judges decisions are final and cannot be reconsidered at this point. Your passion and commitment to your idea are obvious, and given our contest processes and timelines, perhaps the Climate CoLab is not the best forum for your proposal in particular to be realized. If you would like to continue participating through the Climate CoLab — which we hope you do -- feel free to use this comment page to keep amending your proposal, posting references, and requesting feedback/contributions from the CoLab community. We encourage you to incorporate the Judges' comments into future proposal iterations, and submit them for next year. I hope you found value out of participating in the Climate CoLab in the 2012/2013 round of contests, and out of the feedback from the team of experts who reviewed your proposal. Best, Laur Fisher MIT Climate CoLab staff

"Due to the limitations expressed by the Judges above, they were unable to move your proposal forward to the Finalist round. As the Judges mentioned in their email, all Judges decisions are final and cannot be reconsidered at this point." I hope you don't allow the Arctic Ice to melt in lieu of a silly rule that can be changed by the judges.... I hope you are smarter than that....

Laur, "Based on the Judges comments, they do not say that it does not work, but that you have not given them the information necessary to demonstrate that it will work." That is correct based on the judges comments they do not say that it does not work.... Based on my comments I say it does work... How do I know that? Because I have a working scale model that proves F1 > F2 and have video of it... The computer will give them all the information they need to demonstrate along with a working scale model of my idea. The computer and a model can demonstrate it working and how it's built much better than I can demonstrate it even though I do have a working model that shows how the water is upwelled to the surface.... The simplified mathematical formula that makes the technology work is Force1 is greater than Force2 or F1 > F2.... Pascal worked on that many moon ago... I showed you similar project that FAU is working on and some different types of OTEC heat exchange. They are in operation in Hawaii http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/OTEC_in_Hawaii.jpg/795px-OTEC_in_Hawaii.jpg..http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/university-moves-toward-powering-florida-with-the-gulf-stream/6577 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Otec_Open_Diagram_in_English.JPG/350px-Otec_Open_Diagram_in_English.JPG http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Otec_Closed_Diagram_in_English.JPG/350px-Otec_Closed_Diagram_in_English.JPG My idea combined with OTEC makes it more efficient.... "(I don’t understand what this comment means and would want more technical detail: “My idea expands on both of those technologies and is better because we can use the thermal difference between upper and lower boundaries of the Gulf Stream to boil ammonia or sea water as well as the kinetic energy in the Gulf Stream COMBINED".)" If you don't understand this then get someone here that does... How much does this energy provide? The computer will tell us that information once modeled.... It is based on size... They can be many different sizes but once they are added together they could produce 13 trillion joules of energy every 7 seconds if needed.... I told you in the proposal "How will sea temperatures be regulated? If you don't have this information, that's OK -- then tell us what data you don't have and what is needed in order to get it. In sum: tell me what I would need to know to believe you. Simply saying, "this will work" is not sufficient." If you read the proposal I explained Sea surface temperatures can be regulated at the same time power is generated to any temperature between 70 and 90 degrees Fahrenheit in order to restore the summertime Northern Arctic Ice extent and mass. So if you looked at the diagram you would Notice Tic-026 is a regulator and based on what set point you input into it would regulate the SST at the discharge anywhere between 70 and 90 degrees Fahrenheit http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s54/hurricanedude/001.jpg If you do not understand basic flow control or temperature control systems or diagrams then get someone who does on it.... "Simply saying, "this will work" is not sufficient." That is why it needs computer modeling to show you it works... No different than computer modeling the space shuttle... BTW Shuffling me to this secret location is not going to work for you... I will continue to post on your social Facebook network for the world to see... My idea is no secret... ..