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Andrew Rockway

May 7, 2014
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Hi Sebastien! Thanks for your proposal. This type of information would be extremely useful for consumers in making purchasing decision. I'd ask you think a bit more about the action component of your proposal, particularly related to the first action: "Force companies to show CO2 emission on their product package, starting with the food industry." Are you advocating for a public campaign to encourage governments around the world to require this type of labeling? If so, could you provide a bit more detail about what you think that might look like? What might a voluntary, opt-in approach look like? Would a voluntary labeling system, like the Non-GMO Project (http://www.nongmoproject.org/) or USDA organic standards, have benefits in the interim?

Doron Bracha

May 14, 2014
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Interesting idea, raising awareness is important, and honest disclosure would help. One challenge would be to factor in the shipping. That would complicate the packaging process, because unlike nutrition info- carbon footprint changes with the distance of transport. Another option that may be simpler, is to have the production location clearly marked, not hidden in the fine print on the rear. Just as you know the product was made in China, you should know the fruits or vegetables were grown thousands of miles away. Perhaps that would encourage at least some consumers to think twice. One example from architecture, is bamboo flooring. It's considered green because it's rapidly renewable. But by the time you ship it from China to the US, is it really green?.. http://www.theicct.org/blogs/staff/consumers-shipping-and-our-carbon-footprint http://www.worldshipping.org/industry-issues/environment/air-emissions/carbon-emissions Either way, providing such info on the packaging would be a step forward. Cheers !..

Paulo Borges De Brito

Jun 2, 2014
05:25

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I really like this project, but I would be interested in hearing more about the methodology of gathering the CO2 emissions and footprint of products. Is the methodology a general one for all products or is it going to be industry-specific? Could you elaborate more on that, please? Paulo

Sebastien Poutrain

Jun 6, 2014
10:56

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Hi Guys, Greatly appreciate your constructive comments. As you know, shifting behavior for a changing climate is a complex problem. As such, I think the "How" must be decoupled from the "What". There's so many ways to solve a problem that I usually find it easier to first nail down the problem I want to solve. The aspect I wanted to address through this proposal was to elevate the need for awareness of end-consumers on their footprint on environment. If one deliberately choose to buy a product that emits more CO2 than another one, it will have more impact on his consciousness than a TV or radio reportage. This is the "What". Now, on how this can be done. I don't think I can solve it all by myself, but let me expose some of my ideas here. Any other idea is welcome ! I agree with arockway that using an opt-in approach would be less aggressive and probably faster to put in place than having laws in place. With proper media influence, companies who transparently show CO2 footprint of their products could gain a competitive advantage. Doron_Bracha brought a good point as well: What about transportation-related emissions. I think we have to deal with accuracy here. Having 100% accuracy on the CO2 emission measure would be a nightmare to put in place based on current technology costs. On the other hand, letting people doing calculation by themselves defeats the purpose: End consumers must be able to take a decision very fast on whether buy a product or not, based on information presented to them. I think transport-related emissions must be split in 2: - Procurement & Manufacturing : The manufacturer is responsible to collect all information from its vendors. If CO2 emitted is not provided by a vendor, a reasonable estimate should be used instead. Transportation-related CO2 should be calculated based on the location issuing goods and mode of transport (train, air, boat, road) - Shipping & Sales : The manufacturer should include in the CO2 calculation the CO2 emitted to reach its consumers. Since a manufacturer can cover large areas, let's use a ratio here. The rule could be : Use the average CO2 emitted for transportation to reach 20% of the target market. The target market here represents customers of the manufacturer, which can be other manufacturers or end-consumers. If distributors are involved in the logistic chain, the manufacturer needs to take this into consideration in the calculation. Although not extremely precise, this method provides an easy way to include transportation-related emissions in the total emitted CO2 displayed on packaging. Precision increases with the distance between the manufacturer and end-consumers. About the methodology point raised by paulobrito. Here again, I'm in favor of simplicity over accuracy. Rule of thumb is that CO2 is emitted by: - Energy consumed in manufacturing process : A good estimate could be based on amount of electricity or fuel used in the process. - Energy consumed by employees to come to work : Ask employees distance they do. - CO2 emitted as a by-product of the process (for example, gases emitted in the process of digestion of bovines) : Calculation could be based on data made publicly available through a database feeded by scientific measures. As a conclusion, as you can see evil is in the details. That's why I think that first defining the "What we could do" to shift the behavior for a changing climate is a very important first step here. How can we achieve it ? Can we make it a viable solution ? I'm sure we can if we deal with compromise first. Over the time, new technologies (for example, RFID in a cheaper form) will help to have a better accuracy. What are your thoughts ?

Vishal Bhavsar

Jun 20, 2014
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Hi, The idea is one of the most effective approach to make consumers more conscious about the footprint it contributes by purchasing a product. I would also make a point that it will also make business sense for companies to look for technologies and raw materials that has lowest contribution of carbon footprint. For example if they source raw material from short distances it has both the benefits lower carbon emissions as well as lower transportation cost which should reduce bottom line for companies. Companies in today's age undertake life cycle assessment (LCA) of their products and they have every intention to have the product mix which has lower environmental impact and lower carbon footprint. In EU there are norms for companies to have carbon labels on their products. So similar norms by government world over and private sector participation can lead to major change in lifestyle changes and reduction in climate change impact.

Mark Everson

Jul 18, 2014
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This is a nice idea and would certainly change the game for some of the crazy stuff, like shipping branded bottled water all over the world. I'd suggest it needs to go beyond manufacturers and look at making distributors equally responsible - a lot buy wholesale from manufacturers then ship globally, beyond manufacturers' control. I think forward-looking companies would actively opt-in to this - people are increasingly aware of their carbon footprint and I feel this could provide a good differentiator for those companies' products. I'd certainly look for it!

Climate Colab

Aug 5, 2014
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This is the kind of thing that will work to change knowledge and sometimes behavior (It took decades for warning labels on cigarettes to have any effect and even then it is not clear if it is the cause of or the effect). The struggle will be getting the institutional change to get them on packaging. As the proposer points out there are lots of interests that don’t want consumers to have that information. That is the key problem with the proposal.